There’s no criticism of rotation when Ferguson & Grant do it at Utd & Chelsea
Posted by AnfieldRed-Admin | Posted in Discussion, Liverpool FC, Players | Posted on 02-03-2008
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Mention Liverpool or Rafa Benitez to most journalists, their first thought is 'Rotation', then begins 5 days of press coverage saying he is going to get sacked for changing the team, yet take a look at Man Utd and Chelsea's last 2 games, and also find the criticism of Ferguson and Grant about it.
One problem; you cant! see, the thing is; most tabloid journalists hate Liverpool. They go on every week about Rafa's 'rotation policy' , yet it is not mentioned once this weekend when Chelsea and United chopped and changed their teams.
Take Chelsea for example first: compare the carling cup team to the team that beat West Ham yesterday: (cup team)Cech, Belletti, Carvalho, Terry, Bridge, Wright-Phillips , Essien , Lampard, Obi , Anelka, Drogba.
(premiership) Cech, Ferreira, Carvalho, Terry, Ashley Cole, Ballack, Makelele , Lampard, Kalou , Anelka, Joe Cole.
As you can see, quite alot of differences in the line ups, not no hate compaign about rotation. Let's see Man Utd's last two line ups:
(v Newcastle)Van der Sar, Brown, Vidic , Ferdinand, Evra , Ronaldo , Carrick, Fletcher, Nani, Rooney, Tevez.
(v Fulham)Van der Sar, Evra, Ferdinand, Brown, O'Shea, Nani , Scholes, Hargreaves, Park, Tevez , Saha .
Also, note this quote from Alex Ferguson: "The pleasing thing for me was I was able to use my squad with Tuesday's game with Lyon in mind. It was vital for us to rest"
Funny how when Ferguson wants to rest his team for a Champions League game there is no barrage of criticism is there?
When Rafa talks about using his squad for a cup tie, or a game against a smaller team, he gets it in the ear from other managers (Neil Warnock for example), pretty much every newspaper and every so called football pundit on tv.
Double standards if you ask me..
At least we know where you stand bse21, criticalmind just changes his mind with the weather.
You rate Benitez and reckon were playing ok , me and a few others think the opposite.
So we will have to agree to disagree.
it’s cause when benitez rotates his team, they draw or lose. Thats why.
u can rotate if u know your 2nd string players are good enough. Otherwise it would be like fielding players to drop points
whoever wrote this clearly doesnt understand football
Bolton Wanderers 1, Manchester United 0… at the Reebok, because Ronaldo and Rooney were rested !!!!
talk about 2nd string… the 2nd string we have here should be good enough, I mean seriously, when you have Crouch, Alonso, Hyypia (when Agger’s fit), Pennant & Benayoun you better rotate your squad to keep these folks in the club and to make sure you don’t tire the rest of the players you have in the likes of Torres, Gerrard and Carragher!…
Rafa said it once, and I just admired it, after the Barnsley defeat when a journo asked him “did you feel sorry for not having Gerrard from the start” and his reply was simple “if I have to worry about one name to play or not, then we have very serious problems, and this won’t make it a football club”
You cannot have a go at Chelsea now because that would be anti-semitic! You also cannot have a go at manchester because they are Masonic!!
Yes, Because when fergussen does it , it works. United and Chelsea have strong squads who can get the work done. Where as Liverpool don’t. Arsenal doesn’t have a massive squad. Do you see him rotating?
Arsenal rotate, as a matter of fact, even Derby County rotate for the love of god… it’s just that Journo’s have it that Liverpool’s failure in the league is their food for though, rather say, food for selling extra more papers.
A Happy supporter won’t bother buy next morning’s paper if his club is happy and in good hands, he’ll take it into beliefs that the club will be fine not matter what, that’s why you have to keep those supporters worried like hell in order to sell more papers, a pure business thinking to all of this if you ask me!
Look at the scorelines that United and Chelsea delivered – and then compare them to scorelines that are unfortunately all too common for Liverpool, and then you will know why everyone ticks Rafa off for his rotations – face it, Liverpool do not have a strong enough bench, and so the rotations end up flopping often, whereas United and Chelsea have a larger set of quality players to draw on.
Secondly, you need to know when it is appropriate to rotate. Rafa chops and changes very regularly (even when there isn’t a do or die Champions League game midweek) while Fergie does not rotate for the sake of rotation – you will not see wholesale changes to the starting line up on a very regular basis
Bottom line is, if you win, no one will complain – the only reason journos pick on Rafa is because he doesn’t do that as regularly as the other top 4 teams
All the other 19 teams in the league rotate as well for every reason mentioned… As I mentioned earlier it’s the BUSINESS IDEA of having a worried supporter to sell more papers, put something up to scruitiny and keep it up for whatever amount of time… I’ve heard from a Leeds muppit that Rafa INVENTED rotation … WOW! Now that’s the spirit these papers wants us to believe. Alex Ferguson used it between 2003 – 2005 in which he didn’t win a single league title back then… that’s 3 seasons, and we haven’t heard of him ROTATING, have we?!!! Arsenal won virtually nothing during the period Benitez has been here in England for, and no one said Wenger rotates.
Basically if you just keep going this road you ain’t hitting any tops what so ever, thankfully Rafa and many of the boys do not read this crap posted by every paper, I thank god I no longer do much of that, cause honestly it will keep you frustrated, always sad, always feeling down…
The simplest of all examples, when we won the European Cup in 2005 in the most remarkable manner, one paper in 2 days time did not keep the happy days rolling, instead posted a big article on how we should not qualify to the following season’s competition because we did not finish 4th !!!
It’s not like they are all Evertonians, or just worship ScumUtd… when the bad days roll for any of the big clubs they’ll have a feast with it, just to sell papers. I can’t wait for the day when Ferguson leaves United, and they go into a period of instability where they have to rebuild and all that shit, and how their new manager will be perceived… it will be some party for those fuckign cowards.
he should have had 3 of those sitters lucky babel was there 2 show him how 2 score lol that gerrard goal was mint i couldnt stop laughing pathetic goal keeper anyway well done lads keep it up & tony ru a fan or a inside reporter please let me know
As far as I’m concerned with rotation, a manager can rotate every game or every month for all I care. As long as a team on the field gets good results it won’t be mentioned.
But when a team gets poor results people will try to find reasons why. The most obvious one at Anfield is rotation. Once Rafa gets results right on the field he can rotate all he wants.
Thats what i’ve been saying, Rotation is done in each and every team.. But at a lesser degree than at liverpool.
And in other teams it is done quality against quality, coz their manager dispose of efficient players they have inherited from the massive amount spent by owners as compared to what Rafa has got(..don’t come to tell me he has spent too much on crap, coz that will only make you narrow-minded)
someone said Arsenal don’t rotate, i’ll tell that person to just wait 3 weeks and see the consequence of a team without rotation..
Some may say we should have had played Torres and gerrard in everymatch, but the club is named Liverpool football club, NOt Gerrard football club, so its better to encourage them to play as a team not to based themselves on 1-2 players…Unfortunately we’ve got a bunch of donkeys in our club who don’t deserve to be even in our reserve team, thats what made Rafa rotation even more inneficient.
We may well say, Rotation prevent consistency from building, but we just seems to forget that those players train together, the consistency was supposed to start of field, while training, not when playing at league level.
Every manager has a dream..to construct a team..we have that at liverpool, slowly we are building a great team, 2 very good defender in agger and skrtel, 2 very good midfielder in gerrard and mascherano, two very good striker in Babel and Torres, its just a matter of time before the fruit is obtaine, we can’t just base ourselves on critics from results of this year, we have not been so bad, coz in those games that we drew we had plenty of chances..meaning if we had players to take those chance we could have won it, those players may well be playing end up at liverpool after the transfer window.
The question remains, will it be wrong to rotate a player if we’ll have quality players for the same post?? Are we really the one who knows who should be fitter or in form to be played? Do we really need and very big squad or just two players for each post? If you have two quality players for one post, do u think one of them will be happy to remain on the bench (Lucas-alonso example)?
Is rotation really the reason that we draw in a few games..coz if we analyse few of the teams we draw, you’ll noticed we are not their only victims, other teams from the top 3 has had same or even worst result against them (i’ll have a topic on the forum about that in the following days with all stats)
Sincerely Whatever the purpose of rotation, Whatever disadvantage or advantage it has, I’ll prefer NOT to see the same saga again at Anfield next year..well at least till the busy christmas festive period.
Best Squad week in week out, with well time and tactically efficient substitutions will be enough acdording to my thoughts.
Didn’t finish your read since I read “But at a lesser degree than at liverpool.” … sorry mate, everybody does it, and the difference is we have 4 competitions rather than 3 to many others, Derby County for example won’t bother winning the FA Cup or the League Cup knowing that they WON’T WIN IT ANYWAYS… so better keep their few good names fresh for a Relegation battle and give some of the unfortunate ones some time on the pitch, whereas at Liverpool, with 4 competitions, and losing one is like Hiroshima, you bet everyone will come haunting with their steeling knives and their stinging words!
Play your best 11 is something of the past, and don’t tell me Rafa doesn’t know his best 11, cause even Ferguson, Wenger and Grant won’t give a proper answer to that…
Forget Rotation. We are talking incompetence here. I said it once and I’ll say it again, Rafa lacks the ability to manage a club the size of LFC. Rotation is only but one side of the problem. The other sides are his inability to choose and manage his staff and that includes coaches, mentors, scouts, fitness staff… etc. His inability to spend his budget wisely whether its new talent or staff. His tactics and game plans appear to be flowed most of the time and that covers rotations and players positions on the pitch. His relationship with the Owners and the media is less than amicable. His relationship with some players is starting to show signs of strain. His inability to utilise and incorporate some of the best reserves in the country into the first team is appalling.
Like you said, look at the players. SG and Masch, two excellent midfielders in their own right but totally disconnected on the pitch. Again Babel and Torres one big total mismatch and on and on it goes. I think the reason we have to have Gerrard and Torres on the pitch every game is because we don’t have anyone else. Like you said the rest are donkeys, Benitez donkeys, the ones he’s chosen and bought to be the corner stones of LFC club. Benitez is not slowly building, he is slowly destroying the best football club in the world. We are much worst this year than we were last year and the year before and we have got the results to prove it.
I totally agree redhot, we are a team going backwards, our performances this season are living proof, as you say we are far worse than last year, we are 17 points behind the leaders.
Our demise is a combination of rotation, bad tactics, bad coaching, inept playing staff, inconsistancy, failure to brig through youngsters, but whatever way you look at things the buck stops at the door of Rafa Benitez.
As Stwevie G said 2nd place is no good to anyone, Forth place well if people on this site are happy with that they should be shot.
Rafa Benitez has managed us now for Four years , during that time he has spent 150m + , where is this so called iprovement ? because I for one cannot see it.
I find it hard to believe all this talk about Benitez getting another foUr year contract, are the heirachy of our clubs on drugs ?
Rafa Benitez is ruining our club, this year our performances have been nothing short of shocking, we are a team going backwards not forwards like Rafa would have us believe. If we are doing so well how is it we are 17 points behind the leaders having been out of Premiership contention since December ?, and are now in a digfight for ForTh spot with no guarantee that we will even get that ?
Liverpool have only been top n the Premiership for one week under Benitez, during his four years at the club he has failed to bring any young plaers into the team, his obsession with rotation has desablised the team, and everything about the team, coaching staff, performance on the pitch is a joke.
Hoew then in all seriousness can anyone in there right mind consider giving him a further four year contract? What do they want to do fuck the team up alltogether and have us on our knees. Where are there any signs of any improvement ? why should us fans have any expectation for next season ? what are our chances of wining the Premirshipnext season ? NIL.
What is needed is a change of manager, Benitez has done well in Europe , but in very other area he has come up short, short of ideas, short of motivation, IN CASE ANYONE HASNT NOTICED WE ARE A TEAM STRIGGLING TO FINISH FORTH IN THE TABLE, THATS HARDLY GOOD EOUGH NOW IS IT ?
Mate read fully what i have written and you’ll see we are in the same ship..don’t just base yourself on firstsentence… and just like you i don’t believe in newspapers craps and start moaning at each and every rumor they writes.
I apologise mate, I was just furious with some of the comments made in this website, some just make me sick to my stomache. Some make me question if I should support the club, and it hurts when I ask myself such a question, cause I can’t stop supporting the club. I just can’t… but I can’t take this negativity anymore, the boardom and the depressive mode many set themselves up to, and make the rest of their assumptions and comments based on is hurting the club than me, and it hurts… it hurts badly…
Once again mate I apologise to you for that. YNWA
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