Comments on: There’s no criticism of rotation when Ferguson & Grant do it at Utd & Chelsea http://anfieldred.co.uk/2008/03/theres-no-criticism-of-rotation-when-ferguson-grant-do-it-at-utd-chelsea/2112/ Liverpool FC News Tue, 16 Mar 2010 23:52:45 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.4 hourly 1 By: EDDIE888 http://anfieldred.co.uk/2008/03/theres-no-criticism-of-rotation-when-ferguson-grant-do-it-at-utd-chelsea/2112/comment-page-1/#comment-7464 EDDIE888 Thu, 01 Jan 1970 01:00:00 +0000 #comment-7464 I take on board some of what you say , Benitez has bought some fairly decent players to the club, I also like the way he moves them on if ther not any good, my disatisfaction with Benitez lies in other areas. I Ihink his motivational skills are zero, have you ever seen him intervewed, have you ever felt enthused after seeing him talk, I certainly havn't and I think that that s one of his biggest downfalls. Perhaps he needs an assistant. Secondly whatever anyone might say a settled side is usually a winning side, I'm all for the occasional change for tactical or in cases of lost form injury or suspension, but Benitez changes things far too much. His constant tinkering has created a lack of cohesion, a cutting edge , that is usually brought about by players understandng each other whilst playing in a settled side. Thirdly I cannot understand him playing players out of position, this is a Manager who is supposedly a Master Tactician , some of his teaM selections leave me stunned. Why play Kuyt on the wing ? or Babel on the Left when his right footed ? Why is Alonso not in the team ? yet is possibly the biggest talent at the club ? Forthly His failure to bring youngsters into the team, I have Satanta and have watched every reserve game this season, We have a couple of very good young players Insua, Spearing,Darby, and Nemeth, what hope have they got of making it at Anfield ? They will never be given a chance. You say that Rafa hasnt had a lot of money to spend , I disagree he has spent 160m on players since he arrived thats 40m per year so far, yet the team hasnt really proggressed has it ? better than Houlliers team granted but that wasnt difficult ? this season we are further off the pace than ever , God only knows how bad it could have been had Torres not played as well as he has. You ask me to name the players that we should keep and the ones that should go : we should keep Reinna Finnan Arbeloa Skytel Agger Carragher Gerrard Masherano Alonso Lucas Torres Babel Bennyoun Anderson and Hobbs We should get rid of Carson Guhrie Riise Arelio Pennant Kuyt Voronin Kewell and Crouch, Sami Hypia should be offered a job on the Coaching Staff. Even I have to concede that Benitez will probably be around next season, ( personally I dont agree , I feel he should be sacked ), if he fails to produce a Premiership Challenge then he will have to go no questions asked, as much as I don't like it Benitez will be gien another chance in the last chance saloon, the only way I can see things changing is if he stops all this constant chopping and changing of players, selects his best side and stick with it, make changes when were three nil up at home coasting to victory, and stop taking the likes of Wigan, Birmingham and Reading for granted. Then we may just may stand a hope of seeing the team progress. I would like to be proved wrong. I take on board some of what you say , Benitez has bought some fairly decent players to the club, I also like the way he moves them on if ther not any good, my disatisfaction with Benitez lies in other areas.
I Ihink his motivational skills are zero, have you ever seen him intervewed, have you ever felt enthused after seeing him talk, I certainly havn’t and I think that that s one of his biggest downfalls. Perhaps he needs an assistant.

Secondly whatever anyone might say a settled side is usually a winning side, I’m all for the occasional change for tactical or in cases of lost form injury or suspension, but Benitez changes things far too much. His constant tinkering has created a lack of cohesion, a cutting edge , that is usually brought about by players understandng each other whilst playing in a settled side.

Thirdly I cannot understand him playing players out of position, this is a Manager who is supposedly a Master Tactician , some of his teaM selections leave me stunned. Why play Kuyt on the wing ? or Babel on the Left when his right footed ? Why is Alonso not in the team ? yet is possibly the biggest talent at the club ?

Forthly His failure to bring youngsters into the team, I have Satanta and have watched every reserve game this season, We have a couple of very good young players Insua, Spearing,Darby, and Nemeth, what hope have they got of making it at Anfield ? They will never be given a chance.

You say that Rafa hasnt had a lot of money to spend , I disagree he has spent 160m on players since he arrived thats 40m per year so far, yet the team hasnt really proggressed has it ? better than Houlliers team granted but that wasnt difficult ? this season we are further off the pace than ever , God only knows how bad it could have been had Torres not played as well as he has.

You ask me to name the players that we should keep and the ones that should go : we should keep Reinna Finnan Arbeloa Skytel Agger Carragher Gerrard Masherano Alonso Lucas Torres Babel Bennyoun Anderson and Hobbs We should get rid of Carson Guhrie Riise Arelio Pennant Kuyt Voronin Kewell and Crouch, Sami Hypia should be offered a job on the Coaching Staff.

Even I have to concede that Benitez will probably be around next season, ( personally I dont agree , I feel he should be sacked ), if he fails to produce a Premiership Challenge then he will have to go no questions asked, as much as I don’t like it Benitez will be gien another chance in the last chance saloon, the only way I can see things changing is if he stops all this constant chopping and changing of players, selects his best side and stick with it, make changes when were three nil up at home coasting to victory, and stop taking the likes of Wigan, Birmingham and Reading for granted. Then we may just may stand a hope of seeing the team progress. I would like to be proved wrong.

]]> By: EDDIE888 http://anfieldred.co.uk/2008/03/theres-no-criticism-of-rotation-when-ferguson-grant-do-it-at-utd-chelsea/2112/comment-page-1/#comment-7782 EDDIE888 Thu, 01 Jan 1970 01:00:00 +0000 #comment-7782 DEAR RAFA I DON'T KNOW IF YOU REMEMBER ME BUT I WAS YOUR TOP GOALSCORER LAST SEASON AND THOUGHT YOU MAY HAVE FORGOTTON THAT I'M STILL PLAYING FOR THE CLUB. DURING THE FIRST FEW MONTHS OF THIS SEASON I WAS THE TALL GUY SITTING ON THE BENCH EVERY WEEK. I AM WRITING TO LET YOU KNOW THAT I'M A BIT UPSET AT BEING USED AS A SUBSTITUTE , AND BEING MADE TO PLAY FOR TEN MINUTES OR SO EVERY NOW AND AGAIN.. FIRSTLY COULDNT YOU JUST CONTINUE WITH DIRK ( HE LIKES RUNNING AROUND MORE THN I DO ), SECONDLY IT'S MESSING MY GOALSCORING AVERAGES UP. MY GOALS TO GAME RATIO MEANS A LOT TO ME. I HAVE READ IN THE NEWSPAPER THAT YOUR ABOUT TO BE OFFER ME A NEW CONTRACT DOUBLING MY WAGES ,THIS SOUNDS LIKE A GOOD IDEA TO ME, BUT WOULD IT BE POSSIBLE TO INCLUDE A CLAUSE WHEREBY YOU JUST FORGET ABOUT ME ALLTOGETHER, AND JUST CREDIT MY BANK ACCOUNT WIT £40,000 EVER WEEK, BECAUSE TO BE HONEST WITH YOU ALL THIS FOOTBALLING LARK IS BEGINNING TO INTERFERE WITH MY SOCIAL LIFE. KIND REGARDS PETER DEAR RAFA

I DON’T KNOW IF YOU REMEMBER ME BUT I WAS YOUR TOP GOALSCORER LAST SEASON AND THOUGHT YOU MAY HAVE FORGOTTON THAT I’M STILL PLAYING FOR THE CLUB. DURING THE FIRST FEW MONTHS OF THIS SEASON I WAS THE TALL GUY SITTING ON THE BENCH EVERY WEEK.

I AM WRITING TO LET YOU KNOW THAT I’M A BIT UPSET AT BEING USED AS A SUBSTITUTE , AND BEING MADE TO PLAY FOR TEN MINUTES OR SO EVERY NOW AND AGAIN..

FIRSTLY COULDNT YOU JUST CONTINUE WITH DIRK ( HE LIKES RUNNING AROUND MORE THN I DO ), SECONDLY IT’S MESSING MY GOALSCORING AVERAGES UP. MY GOALS TO GAME RATIO MEANS A LOT TO ME.

I HAVE READ IN THE NEWSPAPER THAT YOUR ABOUT TO BE OFFER ME A NEW CONTRACT DOUBLING MY WAGES ,THIS SOUNDS LIKE A GOOD IDEA TO ME, BUT WOULD IT BE POSSIBLE TO INCLUDE A CLAUSE WHEREBY YOU JUST FORGET ABOUT ME ALLTOGETHER, AND JUST CREDIT MY BANK ACCOUNT WIT £40,000 EVER WEEK, BECAUSE TO BE HONEST WITH YOU ALL THIS FOOTBALLING LARK IS BEGINNING TO INTERFERE WITH MY SOCIAL LIFE.

KIND REGARDS
PETER

]]> By: will19 http://anfieldred.co.uk/2008/03/theres-no-criticism-of-rotation-when-ferguson-grant-do-it-at-utd-chelsea/2112/comment-page-1/#comment-7786 will19 Thu, 01 Jan 1970 01:00:00 +0000 #comment-7786 it's cause when benitez rotates his team, they draw or lose. Thats why. u can rotate if u know your 2nd string players are good enough. Otherwise it would be like fielding players to drop points whoever wrote this clearly doesnt understand football it’s cause when benitez rotates his team, they draw or lose. Thats why.

u can rotate if u know your 2nd string players are good enough. Otherwise it would be like fielding players to drop points

whoever wrote this clearly doesnt understand football

]]> By: Veritasone http://anfieldred.co.uk/2008/03/theres-no-criticism-of-rotation-when-ferguson-grant-do-it-at-utd-chelsea/2112/comment-page-/#comment-7787 Veritasone Thu, 01 Jan 1970 01:00:00 +0000 #comment-7787 You cannot have a go at Chelsea now because that would be anti-semitic! You also cannot have a go at manchester because they are Masonic!! You cannot have a go at Chelsea now because that would be anti-semitic! You also cannot have a go at manchester because they are Masonic!!

]]> By: Anonymous111 http://anfieldred.co.uk/2008/03/theres-no-criticism-of-rotation-when-ferguson-grant-do-it-at-utd-chelsea/2112/comment-page-1/#comment-7788 Anonymous111 Thu, 01 Jan 1970 01:00:00 +0000 #comment-7788 Yes, Because when fergussen does it , it works. United and Chelsea have strong squads who can get the work done. Where as Liverpool don't. Arsenal doesn't have a massive squad. Do you see him rotating? Yes, Because when fergussen does it , it works. United and Chelsea have strong squads who can get the work done. Where as Liverpool don’t. Arsenal doesn’t have a massive squad. Do you see him rotating?

]]> By: Neil http://anfieldred.co.uk/2008/03/theres-no-criticism-of-rotation-when-ferguson-grant-do-it-at-utd-chelsea/2112/comment-page-1/#comment-7798 Neil Thu, 01 Jan 1970 01:00:00 +0000 #comment-7798 Look at the scorelines that United and Chelsea delivered - and then compare them to scorelines that are unfortunately all too common for Liverpool, and then you will know why everyone ticks Rafa off for his rotations - face it, Liverpool do not have a strong enough bench, and so the rotations end up flopping often, whereas United and Chelsea have a larger set of quality players to draw on. Secondly, you need to know when it is appropriate to rotate. Rafa chops and changes very regularly (even when there isn't a do or die Champions League game midweek) while Fergie does not rotate for the sake of rotation - you will not see wholesale changes to the starting line up on a very regular basis Bottom line is, if you win, no one will complain - the only reason journos pick on Rafa is because he doesn't do that as regularly as the other top 4 teams Look at the scorelines that United and Chelsea delivered – and then compare them to scorelines that are unfortunately all too common for Liverpool, and then you will know why everyone ticks Rafa off for his rotations – face it, Liverpool do not have a strong enough bench, and so the rotations end up flopping often, whereas United and Chelsea have a larger set of quality players to draw on.

Secondly, you need to know when it is appropriate to rotate. Rafa chops and changes very regularly (even when there isn’t a do or die Champions League game midweek) while Fergie does not rotate for the sake of rotation – you will not see wholesale changes to the starting line up on a very regular basis

Bottom line is, if you win, no one will complain – the only reason journos pick on Rafa is because he doesn’t do that as regularly as the other top 4 teams

]]> By: julie http://anfieldred.co.uk/2008/03/theres-no-criticism-of-rotation-when-ferguson-grant-do-it-at-utd-chelsea/2112/comment-page-1/#comment-7802 julie Thu, 01 Jan 1970 01:00:00 +0000 #comment-7802 he should have had 3 of those sitters lucky babel was there 2 show him how 2 score lol that gerrard goal was mint i couldnt stop laughing pathetic goal keeper anyway well done lads keep it up & tony ru a fan or a inside reporter please let me know he should have had 3 of those sitters lucky babel was there 2 show him how 2 score lol that gerrard goal was mint i couldnt stop laughing pathetic goal keeper anyway well done lads keep it up & tony ru a fan or a inside reporter please let me know

]]> By: 1Red1Pool http://anfieldred.co.uk/2008/03/theres-no-criticism-of-rotation-when-ferguson-grant-do-it-at-utd-chelsea/2112/comment-page-1/#comment-7803 1Red1Pool Thu, 01 Jan 1970 01:00:00 +0000 #comment-7803 As far as I'm concerned with rotation, a manager can rotate every game or every month for all I care. As long as a team on the field gets good results it won't be mentioned. But when a team gets poor results people will try to find reasons why. The most obvious one at Anfield is rotation. Once Rafa gets results right on the field he can rotate all he wants. As far as I’m concerned with rotation, a manager can rotate every game or every month for all I care. As long as a team on the field gets good results it won’t be mentioned.

But when a team gets poor results people will try to find reasons why. The most obvious one at Anfield is rotation. Once Rafa gets results right on the field he can rotate all he wants.

]]> By: Criticalmind http://anfieldred.co.uk/2008/03/theres-no-criticism-of-rotation-when-ferguson-grant-do-it-at-utd-chelsea/2112/comment-page-1/#comment-7804 Criticalmind Thu, 01 Jan 1970 01:00:00 +0000 #comment-7804 Thats what i've been saying, Rotation is done in each and every team.. But at a lesser degree than at liverpool. And in other teams it is done quality against quality, coz their manager dispose of efficient players they have inherited from the massive amount spent by owners as compared to what Rafa has got(..don't come to tell me he has spent too much on crap, coz that will only make you narrow-minded) someone said Arsenal don't rotate, i'll tell that person to just wait 3 weeks and see the consequence of a team without rotation.. Some may say we should have had played Torres and gerrard in everymatch, but the club is named Liverpool football club, NOt Gerrard football club, so its better to encourage them to play as a team not to based themselves on 1-2 players...Unfortunately we've got a bunch of donkeys in our club who don't deserve to be even in our reserve team, thats what made Rafa rotation even more inneficient. We may well say, Rotation prevent consistency from building, but we just seems to forget that those players train together, the consistency was supposed to start of field, while training, not when playing at league level. Every manager has a dream..to construct a team..we have that at liverpool, slowly we are building a great team, 2 very good defender in agger and skrtel, 2 very good midfielder in gerrard and mascherano, two very good striker in Babel and Torres, its just a matter of time before the fruit is obtaine, we can't just base ourselves on critics from results of this year, we have not been so bad, coz in those games that we drew we had plenty of chances..meaning if we had players to take those chance we could have won it, those players may well be playing end up at liverpool after the transfer window. The question remains, will it be wrong to rotate a player if we'll have quality players for the same post?? Are we really the one who knows who should be fitter or in form to be played? Do we really need and very big squad or just two players for each post? If you have two quality players for one post, do u think one of them will be happy to remain on the bench (Lucas-alonso example)? Is rotation really the reason that we draw in a few games..coz if we analyse few of the teams we draw, you'll noticed we are not their only victims, other teams from the top 3 has had same or even worst result against them (i'll have a topic on the forum about that in the following days with all stats) Sincerely Whatever the purpose of rotation, Whatever disadvantage or advantage it has, I'll prefer NOT to see the same saga again at Anfield next year..well at least till the busy christmas festive period. Best Squad week in week out, with well time and tactically efficient substitutions will be enough acdording to my thoughts. Thats what i’ve been saying, Rotation is done in each and every team.. But at a lesser degree than at liverpool.
And in other teams it is done quality against quality, coz their manager dispose of efficient players they have inherited from the massive amount spent by owners as compared to what Rafa has got(..don’t come to tell me he has spent too much on crap, coz that will only make you narrow-minded)
someone said Arsenal don’t rotate, i’ll tell that person to just wait 3 weeks and see the consequence of a team without rotation..
Some may say we should have had played Torres and gerrard in everymatch, but the club is named Liverpool football club, NOt Gerrard football club, so its better to encourage them to play as a team not to based themselves on 1-2 players…Unfortunately we’ve got a bunch of donkeys in our club who don’t deserve to be even in our reserve team, thats what made Rafa rotation even more inneficient.
We may well say, Rotation prevent consistency from building, but we just seems to forget that those players train together, the consistency was supposed to start of field, while training, not when playing at league level.
Every manager has a dream..to construct a team..we have that at liverpool, slowly we are building a great team, 2 very good defender in agger and skrtel, 2 very good midfielder in gerrard and mascherano, two very good striker in Babel and Torres, its just a matter of time before the fruit is obtaine, we can’t just base ourselves on critics from results of this year, we have not been so bad, coz in those games that we drew we had plenty of chances..meaning if we had players to take those chance we could have won it, those players may well be playing end up at liverpool after the transfer window.
The question remains, will it be wrong to rotate a player if we’ll have quality players for the same post?? Are we really the one who knows who should be fitter or in form to be played? Do we really need and very big squad or just two players for each post? If you have two quality players for one post, do u think one of them will be happy to remain on the bench (Lucas-alonso example)?
Is rotation really the reason that we draw in a few games..coz if we analyse few of the teams we draw, you’ll noticed we are not their only victims, other teams from the top 3 has had same or even worst result against them (i’ll have a topic on the forum about that in the following days with all stats)
Sincerely Whatever the purpose of rotation, Whatever disadvantage or advantage it has, I’ll prefer NOT to see the same saga again at Anfield next year..well at least till the busy christmas festive period.
Best Squad week in week out, with well time and tactically efficient substitutions will be enough acdording to my thoughts.

]]> By: Ta40_reds http://anfieldred.co.uk/2008/03/theres-no-criticism-of-rotation-when-ferguson-grant-do-it-at-utd-chelsea/2112/comment-page-1/#comment-7805 Ta40_reds Thu, 01 Jan 1970 01:00:00 +0000 #comment-7805 then,why we don't call up bill shankly and bob paisley again..! come on.. forget comparisons! then,why we don’t call up bill shankly and bob paisley again..! come on.. forget comparisons!

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